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  A.D or C.E?

  by bother_forever in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are jws the only group to refer to a.d in dates as c.e, also like wise for b.c.e instead of b.c, or is it another proof of their divine right ( because the rest of the world is ignorant, and under the influence of satan) to only know the correct way to state dates?

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  CE and BCE are more accurate because, if Jesus were a real person, he would have been born about 4bce

  and you could hardly use AD for that now could you?
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  Do you like Winter?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, this is the first day of winter.

  for all those who love winter snow, ice, slush, slipping and falling, colds and sore throats, frostbite and shoveling, enjoy it,.

  so, to all winter lovers, enjoy it !!!!!!

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  I moved to florida to get away from winter

  last year we had a brutal winter

  all 3 days.
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  How did you overcome the allure of Paradise? Or have you?

  by M.J. in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the biggest reason someone maintains their faith in the wts is because the wts is the "ticket" to paradise earth.. how did you deal with the prospect that the "ticket" salesmen weren't totally reliable?.

  did it cause you to let go of your hope in paradise earth?

  did it redirect it to another hope?.

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  How did you overcome the allure of Paradise?

  by realizing that reality is always perfect until compared to something it is not.

  reminding myself that there is only one unfolding of reality and we are all it and the cause of suffering about is from rejecting

  this one unfolding in comparison to ideal fantasies which seem better but dont exist at this moment....

  we can work towards them, but the best way to get there is to accept where we have been and are.... wringing our hands

  about it not being here yet seems just an excuse to do less than it takes to get there, not what it takes.
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  What is God's true organization he is using? if this not it, then point me

  by amommy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been a jw all my life, my sister and i are now in our late twenties and are so unhappy and after desparate attempts to keep up meeting attendance are not spiritually motivated.

  we in last few weeks have found some very disturbing things in our search such as the un involvement.

  after research on these things and use of the wt library the society speaks for it's self on these issues calling the un the "disgusting thing" that the book of daniel spoke about(wt 85' para.

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  the answer is that shepherds are predators who fleece and slaughter flocks of sheep...

  there never was an organization in the first place other than an organization of predators conning the fearful.
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  The Life of an Atheist and Agnostic

  by Golf in

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  what do you base your hopes,dreams,aspirations and your eventuality on?

  golf

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  in reading all these responses it occurs to me that I think I know where this question originates....

  while I was still a JW and contemplating leaving.... I kept thinking that life would be meaningless if it just ends and there is nothing

  more afterwards.... all my efforts, dreams, goals and desires would end up in the ash heap of history and what did it matter what I did?

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  after I finally could not take the self deceptions and did actually find myself godless and hopeless, I still found meaning in living and was puzzled and searched myself for the reason.... and found this:

  there is no meaning of life from the outside....no value in judging ones own life from any external standard...which is how JWs and any one else who compares you to some ideal fantasy, gets you to see yourself.... its a sham with the goal of making you feel inadequate and helps enslave you to their distorted view of what is going on.... in reality you find meaning because you CARE about your current state of being and the impact your next move will have on it.... plain and simple, the meaning of life does not exist but for the meaning found by the living.
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  Family Bible Study

  by drew sagan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what are some good ways a "family head" could study with his family, helping them to see the weak points in watchtower thinking?

  i wish to start this somehow, but since "family study" is seen as simply going over some misc.

  watchtower publication, i don't see where i can make the headway.

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  Eric Hoffer - "The True Believer "

  RE Friedman "Who Wrote the Bible?"

  "Don't Call Me Brother "- Austin Miles
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  The Life of an Atheist and Agnostic

  by Golf in

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  what do you base your hopes,dreams,aspirations and your eventuality on?

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  as an agnostic I dont know (^_^).

  and so I dont have to pretend to worry about what I dont know either....what I do know is that I am alive now, and it always seems to be now, whenever I think about being alive....and now is the only moment I have ever found myself in and I have no recollection of ever being non-existant and dont see how I ever will so there is no reason to worry about that either.

  I find all goals I have ever had revolve around peace of mind, regaining it, losing it, finding it, etc.... there are many ways to lose it, and there seems to be more skillful ways to regain it that I have come to understand in recent times then while I was a JW who never concerned themselves about peace of mind outside of doing the will of God which of course never gave peace of mind only inadequacy as planned.

  so with my best skills, I gamble with each move I have open to me towards peace of mind and assess the consequences and prepare my next move.
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  What is God's true organization he is using? if this not it, then point me

  by amommy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been a jw all my life, my sister and i are now in our late twenties and are so unhappy and after desparate attempts to keep up meeting attendance are not spiritually motivated.

  we in last few weeks have found some very disturbing things in our search such as the un involvement.

  after research on these things and use of the wt library the society speaks for it's self on these issues calling the un the "disgusting thing" that the book of daniel spoke about(wt 85' para.

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  when I left in 1990, I asked virtually the same question, if not JWs, then who?

  I went to the library and the book I found, WHO WROTE THE BIBLE set me straight... after reading it carefully, I realized

  the whole bible was just jewish mythology and no more useful in learning about reality and Greek myths or any other myths.

  so I determined to learn about reality as best I could and not take anyones Belief System or BS seriously unless I could

  find some means of verification.... To this day I find being an honest agnostic far superior to being any other sort of believer

  but to each his own.
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  THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

  have i ever misled you?

  i'll answer that--no!

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  I dont see the big deal.... its like 607bce, the WTBS just says who you gonna believe? me or your lying eyes....
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  Is Change Possible for Homosexuals?

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i don't know, you'd think we'd be used to reading crap like this but it still gets my goat.. nic' .

  *** w74 8/15 p. 487 is change possible for homosexuals?

  thinking transformed.

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  zen nudist

  Recent research has shown that the gay gene is passed down throught the female line. How it conferred survival on its inheritors is anyone's guess, as society has changed so much in the last 150 000 years.

  even if it could be traced to a specific gene, it would not have to confer survival to its inheritors, there are plenty of examples of species such as bees who make nearly their entire colony from sterile females who support the colony as a whole... and it is known that many homosexuals have heterosexual relationships and even children at some point in their life, even if it was only to fool or please others or an attempt on their part to change, etc.

  in some cultures, such as a tribe I read about of native american indians, they had a special place for gay males as tribal shamans who bridged between male and females like marriage counselors, they were even allowed to marry men... I find it odd that so few cultures adopted such an enlightened view.